Gears for measuring flow
Gears for measuring flow
I would like to build a gear flow meter similar to the one in this image attachment.
These gears are only about 1/2" diameter with 23 teeth, im not exactly sure how to draw this in gearotic, what would be the best tooth design to mesh well enough to keep liquid from flowing through the teeth?
I found this article talking about the principal behind how these meters work here: http://www.flowmeters.co.uk/flow-techno ... ow-meters/
Any tips for me would be appreciated!
These gears are only about 1/2" diameter with 23 teeth, im not exactly sure how to draw this in gearotic, what would be the best tooth design to mesh well enough to keep liquid from flowing through the teeth?
I found this article talking about the principal behind how these meters work here: http://www.flowmeters.co.uk/flow-techno ... ow-meters/
Any tips for me would be appreciated!
Re: Gears for measuring flow
Looks like just 2 standard involutes meshed. Involutes should give you the best mesh ,
I suspect these leak somewhat and are only approximations of volume?
Ahh, on reading I see what you mean. I suspect you dont want very tight mesh, since these
are driven by differences in pressure, whatever you build the gears should be on good bearings
and not a tight mesh at all, just a loose coupling that makes them move with only sligth pressure.
Art
I suspect these leak somewhat and are only approximations of volume?
Ahh, on reading I see what you mean. I suspect you dont want very tight mesh, since these
are driven by differences in pressure, whatever you build the gears should be on good bearings
and not a tight mesh at all, just a loose coupling that makes them move with only sligth pressure.
Art
Re: Gears for measuring flow
Looks good.
I was more worried about just how much differential pressure develops from the flow.
As the gears rotate backwards to the flow I was thinking it wasnt much as a %. I dont think
operating pressure would mean much, the pressure differental will be between input and output
flows, so I wouldnt think it would be much more than a small % of the actual flow rate.
I kinda pictured them running very easy but with one on an encoder or something for
a frequency readout. Ill be interested in how much force they seem to have when you
get them running, Ive never experimented with flow. Once you get it running let me
know how you make out.
Art
I was more worried about just how much differential pressure develops from the flow.
As the gears rotate backwards to the flow I was thinking it wasnt much as a %. I dont think
operating pressure would mean much, the pressure differental will be between input and output
flows, so I wouldnt think it would be much more than a small % of the actual flow rate.
I kinda pictured them running very easy but with one on an encoder or something for
a frequency readout. Ill be interested in how much force they seem to have when you
get them running, Ive never experimented with flow. Once you get it running let me
know how you make out.
Art
Re: Gears for measuring flow
The flow rates are really low so there should not be a tremendous pressure diff.
The way I was going to read the flow was to press a magnet into the top of one of gears and pick up the magnet with a hall effect sensor.
This way I could seal the chamber completely and have the hall sensor in a separate cavity to prevent leaks.
Body of the meter will be stainless which will allow magnetic flux through.
The way I was going to read the flow was to press a magnet into the top of one of gears and pick up the magnet with a hall effect sensor.
This way I could seal the chamber completely and have the hall sensor in a separate cavity to prevent leaks.
Body of the meter will be stainless which will allow magnetic flux through.
Re: Gears for measuring flow
If its high pressure with low flow, Id suspect you need them so finely meshed that they spin just by
blowing on them, but then I really have no idea. Just sounds right to me that thge pressure wont matter
so low flow is low energy for spinning. Magnets do sound good for transmission of a frequency.
Art
blowing on them, but then I really have no idea. Just sounds right to me that thge pressure wont matter
so low flow is low energy for spinning. Magnets do sound good for transmission of a frequency.
Art
Re: Gears for measuring flow
I have decided to use an oval gear for the flow meter as I have read that they work better with the lower viscosity fluids that I will me measuring.
I am trying to draw a tiny oval gear similar to the one in this picture:
At its widest point it is 7mm and at its narrowest is is 5mm and the shaft is 3mm 22 teeth.
Is there a setting in Gearotic for me to enter these measurements? Or do I just have to adjust the DP untill I reach these measurements?
I am trying to draw a tiny oval gear similar to the one in this picture:
At its widest point it is 7mm and at its narrowest is is 5mm and the shaft is 3mm 22 teeth.
Is there a setting in Gearotic for me to enter these measurements? Or do I just have to adjust the DP untill I reach these measurements?
Re: Gears for measuring flow
Hi Mat:
I checked on this to see if I could just give you the numbers and I can see
the screen numbers are misleading, Ive added a development note to revise them.
The major axis radisu is incorrect on the screen, its actually the radius of the originating
DP pitch radius creating the gears.
Untill I fix this and rerelease, here is how to get your gears made.
First, you want 7mm major and 5mm minor axis sizes. Im assuming these are
the pitch radius, if they are outside radius, you really want to know the shaft distance
instead.
Lets assume a 12mm shaft distance for the sake of this example with 7mm/5mm
pitch radius gears.
So set Mod to 1 and eccentricity to 1 - ( 5/7). So subtract minor over major desired
from 1. This gives an eccentricity of .285 . Regen the gear and youll see the distance
between shafts is 43.5mm's. The desired in this case is 12mm.
So the Mod is linear to shaft distance. If we take a new mod number from the
setmod multiplied by the ratio of desired/actual, we get mod = 1 * 12 / 43.5370 = .275
Entering .275 into the desired MOD and pressing regen you'll now have a center distance
of 11.999mm. with the two meshed radii of 7mm and 5mm.
Useing the shaft distance as your primary measurment, not the outside radius of the gear
will make this a very accurate. The eccentricity is the reciprocal of the ratio of major/minor end radii. The gears I get doing this are 5mm/7mm with center distance of 12. Heres a photo
of the end design, but Id encourage you to play with the numbers to see the effects
of the ratio and mod. I have made a note to replace the reading of major radius with the proper
one instead of the pitch radius of the DP circle at an order of 1.
Thx
Art
I checked on this to see if I could just give you the numbers and I can see
the screen numbers are misleading, Ive added a development note to revise them.
The major axis radisu is incorrect on the screen, its actually the radius of the originating
DP pitch radius creating the gears.
Untill I fix this and rerelease, here is how to get your gears made.
First, you want 7mm major and 5mm minor axis sizes. Im assuming these are
the pitch radius, if they are outside radius, you really want to know the shaft distance
instead.
Lets assume a 12mm shaft distance for the sake of this example with 7mm/5mm
pitch radius gears.
So set Mod to 1 and eccentricity to 1 - ( 5/7). So subtract minor over major desired
from 1. This gives an eccentricity of .285 . Regen the gear and youll see the distance
between shafts is 43.5mm's. The desired in this case is 12mm.
So the Mod is linear to shaft distance. If we take a new mod number from the
setmod multiplied by the ratio of desired/actual, we get mod = 1 * 12 / 43.5370 = .275
Entering .275 into the desired MOD and pressing regen you'll now have a center distance
of 11.999mm. with the two meshed radii of 7mm and 5mm.
Useing the shaft distance as your primary measurment, not the outside radius of the gear
will make this a very accurate. The eccentricity is the reciprocal of the ratio of major/minor end radii. The gears I get doing this are 5mm/7mm with center distance of 12. Heres a photo
of the end design, but Id encourage you to play with the numbers to see the effects
of the ratio and mod. I have made a note to replace the reading of major radius with the proper
one instead of the pitch radius of the DP circle at an order of 1.
Thx
Art
Re: Gears for measuring flow
Matt:
Just a note, the elliptical displays have been repaired for next release to show both actual minor and major radii
of the elliptical pitch radius of each gear. Shouldnt be too long before a release, but if your finding it a problem, yell
and Ill send you a fixes version.
Thx
Art
Just a note, the elliptical displays have been repaired for next release to show both actual minor and major radii
of the elliptical pitch radius of each gear. Shouldnt be too long before a release, but if your finding it a problem, yell
and Ill send you a fixes version.
Thx
Art
Re: Gears for measuring flow
Hi Art,
Sorry for not getting back to you, I have used your advice and created some gears that I think will work.
1 issue that I see with these small gears that I am making is when I export them to dxf I see some jogs in the lines like the attached pic. Is there a way to smooth this out? The full dxf file is here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IS3cE6 ... sp=sharing
Sorry for not getting back to you, I have used your advice and created some gears that I think will work.
1 issue that I see with these small gears that I am making is when I export them to dxf I see some jogs in the lines like the attached pic. Is there a way to smooth this out? The full dxf file is here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IS3cE6 ... sp=sharing
Re: Gears for measuring flow
Hi Matt:
I suppose many cad programs will filter the lines, they result from the way
these gears are created, though the envelope of iterative positions all subtracted
from the gear blank, a type of digital hobbing. This type of generation ensures
higher accuracy than most analytical creation of elliptical gears, but it has the
side effect of the small variations you see. They typically though are so small
a variation as to not affect the output.
I dont have anything in gearotic to smooth them, I always figured the smoothing
can actually make a worse mesh. If you measure the variation you'll usually find
its a small enough number to discount as a percentage of the overall gear tooth
and doesnt typically affect the mesh.
Art
I suppose many cad programs will filter the lines, they result from the way
these gears are created, though the envelope of iterative positions all subtracted
from the gear blank, a type of digital hobbing. This type of generation ensures
higher accuracy than most analytical creation of elliptical gears, but it has the
side effect of the small variations you see. They typically though are so small
a variation as to not affect the output.
I dont have anything in gearotic to smooth them, I always figured the smoothing
can actually make a worse mesh. If you measure the variation you'll usually find
its a small enough number to discount as a percentage of the overall gear tooth
and doesnt typically affect the mesh.
Art
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